Agreed with all points. Only thing I would add is that the moral relativism of classical liberal thought + supercharge of woke ideology, leads to a very hands off view of advice as anything that person decides to do is correct and it is not my place to dispense advice.
Conservatives are less likely to espouse luxury beliefs bc their judgments are based on moral absolutes (good/evil vs good/bad).
I can hear your own class privilege in how you write.
I have found the rules that you follow to attain the social class you appear to be in, frequently come at the cost of people being real. Real meaning actually sincere, that we talk about things and we actively engage with each other.
I think you're right that a people say a lot of offhanded things to dismiss topics because a lot of people aren't actually interested in learning, because learning requires being real. I think it's why I tend to be unpopular with these types of people
You can't be "real" with everyone, that's an essential thing to learn while growing up. I didn't learn it until I was thirty and hence I didn't have many friends. I wasn't "real", I was just insensitive and didn't know my place in their lives. You can't bulldoze your way into someone's life and learn or teach. That requires a relationship. If the end goal of someone making themselves vulnerable to you is you wringing your hands helplessly, then don't start that shit to begin with. Not everyone is going to deal with it in a helpful way and most people just make things worse. It's shitty to be a tourist in people's lives where you insinuate yourself to "learn" but don't actually help.
I get the feeling that you have not spent time in the Walmart breakroom, or if you did, not as an hourly associate.
Working class people relate to each other so much better than the professional class in my experience. That's what I'm talking about, but I wonder how well you would fit in inside the walmart break room, or the dorm room cafeteria?
Why does that matter? People being "fake" or whatever is not a real thing, they are probably just being "fake" with you because they aren't friends with you yet and don't feel safe being vulnerable with you. Maybe class has something to do with it, but that's usually because you are able to put people of certain classes at ease easier than some other classes.
I was using a general "you" but if people are being "fake" a lot with you it's because they aren't yet your friends and given how personally you take that, it's not that surprising.
Agreed with all points. Only thing I would add is that the moral relativism of classical liberal thought + supercharge of woke ideology, leads to a very hands off view of advice as anything that person decides to do is correct and it is not my place to dispense advice.
Conservatives are less likely to espouse luxury beliefs bc their judgments are based on moral absolutes (good/evil vs good/bad).
Oh wow I didn't even think of that. Moral relativism explains things much better.
I can hear your own class privilege in how you write.
I have found the rules that you follow to attain the social class you appear to be in, frequently come at the cost of people being real. Real meaning actually sincere, that we talk about things and we actively engage with each other.
I think you're right that a people say a lot of offhanded things to dismiss topics because a lot of people aren't actually interested in learning, because learning requires being real. I think it's why I tend to be unpopular with these types of people
You can't be "real" with everyone, that's an essential thing to learn while growing up. I didn't learn it until I was thirty and hence I didn't have many friends. I wasn't "real", I was just insensitive and didn't know my place in their lives. You can't bulldoze your way into someone's life and learn or teach. That requires a relationship. If the end goal of someone making themselves vulnerable to you is you wringing your hands helplessly, then don't start that shit to begin with. Not everyone is going to deal with it in a helpful way and most people just make things worse. It's shitty to be a tourist in people's lives where you insinuate yourself to "learn" but don't actually help.
I get the feeling that you have not spent time in the Walmart breakroom, or if you did, not as an hourly associate.
Working class people relate to each other so much better than the professional class in my experience. That's what I'm talking about, but I wonder how well you would fit in inside the walmart break room, or the dorm room cafeteria?
Why does that matter? People being "fake" or whatever is not a real thing, they are probably just being "fake" with you because they aren't friends with you yet and don't feel safe being vulnerable with you. Maybe class has something to do with it, but that's usually because you are able to put people of certain classes at ease easier than some other classes.
When you try to generalize about how people can't find friends, it sounds like YOU are not at ease, and you imagine the world to be like you
I was using a general "you" but if people are being "fake" a lot with you it's because they aren't yet your friends and given how personally you take that, it's not that surprising.
I feel there is often a big mismatch between reality and how we talk about it.